Monty,
Thanks for clarifying. I sent an email from my subscription email address (
***@anim8.com) to the list but I did not see it post so perhaps it was
considered too -off topic- or I was not important enough to Cinelerra to
warrant a reply or perhaps was considered threatening. I'm just trying to
find out the 'real' story about what is going on before I invest another
second in Cinelerra. If my email server somehow failed to send the email,
I'm re-sending it below! If I am out of order for asking, please ignore
and I will not bother you again.
For the record, although from California, I don't know Michael Collins, and
unless there is something extraordinary to explain his alleged posts, I
don't ever want to know him or be associated with any of his projects - so
if CV becomes his project, I'm not interested in someone with that
temperament.
Thanks in advance! Peace.
Dell.
Fairfield, CA (SF Bay area)
Hi everyone, You probably don't know me, but I'm a long time subscriber but
only used Cinelerra briefly a few years
ago (see below as to questions and reasons I remained on the list) but
stayed mainly lurker mode until the recent
"End of Support" subject line caught my eye. Then came the Nazi stuff which
is obviously bad netiquette at a
minimum. I speak plainly myself, but never that ridiculous I hope.
That said, I am sympathetic to Cinelerra (esp. CV) and have what may seem
like stupid questions that might
illuminate what other semi-outsiders might be wondering right now.
First a little background: I have spent thousands of dollars over the years
on 3d and video editing equipment but
could not justify it from a business point view. Made some money but was
not my full time job. I was at the same
time looking to go to open source OS but could not find equivalent
software. I wanted to escape the yearly $800
upgrade treadmill. Blender is good. Video editors at the time, not so
great.
I looked into Cinelerra and found it surprisingly powerful, but a bit
'crashy' and at the time at least, a somewhat
non-intuitive interface and would require some rethinking (not that much
perhaps) for me. Additionally, although I
was learning to program as quickly as I could, I certainly had (and have)
never compiled a major application like
this from source. I realized I had a lot to learn if I wanted to go open
source. I researched the background at
the time and had some reservations about the Cinelerra-Heroine connection
and those questions remained. I decided
to wait-and-see how this relationship between the two versions of Cinelerra
turned out. So here's my suggestion:
Could someone with some deeper knowledge of the various Cinelerra aspects
give some of us 'newbies' a snapshot view
from 20,000 feet of what the h*@#$ is going on? Here are some huge
questions:
1) What is the relationship between Cinelerra HV and CV and why is it not a
fork if it is not? My understanding
is that the HV is basically a nearly closed commercial version whereas the
CV is more open.
2) Who is Michael Collins and why is he important here? Is he the developer
of HV? If so, this validates my
intuition about the HV when I first investigated it. Something just did not
seem right.
3) Is there any reason that CV is still forced to depend on HV? What
benefits do we get that we could not get by
being fully independent?
4) What should those of us do who are not developers (yet?) to keep in
touch? I read of some lists getting pruned
etc.
Linux does need a good open source video editor. I was impressed with
Cinelerra's capabilities years ago, but have
not invested the time needed. Perhaps there are others like me.
I can't do much right now but I would like to be part of whatever turns out
to be the Good Force in this little
tempest in a teacup.
Thanks in advance,
Dell Anderson,
Fairfield, CA
PS I am native English speaker so might be able to proof final versions for
grammatical or spelling errors, but
although I am taking a Java OOP class in French, I am not good enough to be
confident of correct meaning. Google
translate is not infallible I have found.
Post by Monty MontgomeryWhen I said 'I didn't mind' it was more 'doesn't really affect me'.
I haven't seen Michael do anything yet aside from grab the domain and
send mail. If he turns out to pour time and energy into Cinelerra,
then we can decide if it's good for the project or not. Or maybe
that's the last we're going to hear from him. In which case, the
proper reaction is probably an Adam-like 'meh'.
My take is send mail, say hello, and go about our business for now.
Monty
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